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Skei 5/31/2018 4:25 AM

Stop shitposting in here.

4:25 AM

@Skei

Sorry...

ThunderClap, don't.

Thunderclap, please do not.

She. Actually, that’s a common misconception with my name.

Siabolical?

Syrinx no

ah, my bad

Your vosisms won’t work on me, foolish Jedi.

Sorry. Was dealing with something. I’m a bit tired.

no worries. Injured, givin birth?

Indeed.

4:27 AM

I am curious about why one would play that kind of game when there is no physical reason or need to do so.

I do agree, it seems rather strange to me.

sigh.

Why are you sighing?

4:28 AM

We only want you to explain.

Are you guys trolling

No we’re not

nope

4:28 AM

well, akechi might be

Akechi, stop.

They’re independent from me

Alright alright

can you answer my questions then?

Our Tulpas started out as characters.. some from experiences, they’re more human to us for that reason..

Please, everyone stop shitposting in here. This is the on topic channel.

I'm deleting the shitposts.

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@Saint’s Sinner @Pal 🔥 The reason that we ask this is that tulpas are not, in fact, physical - and that complete independence is... entirely impossible, without some simultaneous claim that they exist as somehow separate from your brain.

@Saint’s Sinner please tell us the story that got one of your tuppers pregnant and another attacked

nothing wrong with treating them as humans, but is there really a need to simulate real physics in such a way that it carries tangible negative repercussions?

In which case, the claim would go better in the #metaphysics channel as that channel is where claims should be discussed where there is no evidence behind them.

4:32 AM

In this channel, there is the general understanding that if a claim is made, it should have something to substantiate it beyond simply saying "I feel it/want it to be true".

4:32 AM

This is why people are questioning it.

I agree, however, if you are claiming parallel processing, I would certainly disagree that is the case and would be interested in discussing it further with you both.

Personally, i just want to hear your story

Agreed.

Yes, it is bound to be interesting.

@Saint’s Sinner

Uh, just looks like elaborate wonderland mechanics to me. Those are a thing.

they left the server

oh

By that I mean giving your wonderland a set of rules that remain fixed, like the laws of physics in this world. Under something like that it's possible for injury to take place in a wonderland

4:41 AM

Some take it a bit far and somehow make it so the mechanics are out of their control. Then, undesirable things could happen when one does not intend for them to

4:41 AM

Do not underestimate the strength of symbolism

Indeed. This is part of why I was asking why they were setting it up in the first place.

Aww, i feel kinda bad that they left the server over that

Another super interesting comment on the sub

11:29 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/8nhwlx/why_do_we_have_such_toxic_people_in_our_community/dzwa8ud/

Why do we have such toxic people in our community? • r/Tulpas

I would say that the major russian communities I saw: raging in four to fourteen thousand subscribers with about as much active users as we have...

11:29 PM

ignore the popup, this link is not for the root post

11:34 PM

Namely, I look at this as an alternative way a community can come together on something, or the things that sit underneath tulpamancy, and make it into something else. (edited)

3:40 AM

<We’re thinking of trying to figure out if we can get Misaka to wake from it slightly wo me doing so>

I've tried entering the wonderland while in that barely awake state, it usually ends up feeling more real and vivid than it does when I'm fully awake

I have such awful luck with my wonderland. I'm wondering if it's too simple.

nothing wrong with starting off simple, you can always add details later

Anyone here know some good exercises to do

3:56 AM

I can't do much because I can't visualize very well yet

3:57 AM

They can talk for the most part independently

Have you tried the visualisation guides on tulpa.info, Mena?

Something unusual happened today. If you all can be bothered reading, that’d be nice. First, some background. Cilsc rarely appears to me when I’m working. We think of his appearances as a mutual thing. His movements in his form are his own. But so far, for it to work, I’ve had to be accepting to some degree. I must at least be thinking about him. The more I focus, the better I can sense him and the more closely his image correlates with his voice in my head. So today, I was waitressing. As I walked around, I felt a sudden presence as I brushed past a corner. It was so powerful that I actually swerved away, thinking I was going to collide if I didn’t. I think I saw in my periphery a figure with a black shirt and jeans, which is something that Cilsc wears every now and then. It lasted only a moment. When I looked again, both the presence and illusion were gone. I quickly checked in with Cilsc, but he didn’t know anything about it. Whatever happened was unintentional from both of us. Neither of us were doing anything different. So, was it an image of him, or just a random meaningless image? I think it was him. And I think it happened because I’m getting so used to seeing him around with minimal effort. Maybe something about that situation just triggered me to sense him there without having to try at all. More questions. If it was an image of Cilsc, how much of his essence was there with it? If his essence was there with it, would it be possible for us to maintain and manipulate that powerfully vivid form? We’ve discussed it all already and come to some conclusions, but I’d like to know what you all think. I’ll bet many of you have been through something similar.

My first bet for something you saw out of the corner of your eye like that was your brain misinterpreting something and "filling out" the image to be whatever it might assume could be there. With tulpas on the mind, and having forced and been trying to visualize, Cilsc was the thing you ended up guessing. I wouldn't say it was your tulpa, mostly because I see this as a "one off exception" more than it is a stable way to visualize. Maybe it could increase your confidence in your tulpa, but I doubt you will get a similarly strong feeling in the near future.

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I went low blood sugar a few days ago and while I was low Allun said I had started to dissociate when I asked her if she meant I just had a looser grip on the train of thought or if I was also moving towards the back she said she wasn't sure so that's kinda interesting

1:43 AM

we also very briefly tried a full body possession and she said it was "easier than it should have been"

So, I don't have a lot of time for Nin9, or maybe I should phrase it that I don't make the time for her. But even still, that tulpa is powerful. She is very much alive and although externally (As applied to my body) She is dull with little to no passive awareness, she knows next to immediately when I'm focused on her. -Even if she's convincingly good at hiding it.

okay?

She can still give me headaches and long periods of active forcing, as we learned, tire her and myself out, but she's got aplenty of personality in her. The reason I say this is because previously I was worried about regression because of lack of focus.

[I'm not usually great at passively being aware myself. Not usually]

regression likely won't happen unless you don't focus on her for days at a time

Someone reassured me that that's not usually what happens and that it'd be fine. Still though, that hint of paranoia that I may have stunted Nin9's probably kept me from forcing or even focusing on her for a while. But she's mostly fine.

believe and love and everything will flow from there

I kind of feel the need to start documenting about Nin9's growths and regressions. I recommended someone else a few methods of documentation. I wonder how that worked out for them.

there's a place for that on .info if you want

I know. I followed a lot of guidelines tried plenty of methods but it just feels smoother to do things my at her and my own pace.

6:39 AM

When it comes to documentation, I've got plenty of systems. Thanks for the recommendation though.

np

Gahhh. I'm most comfortable with active forcing right after I wake up, but Cille's never awake then. Why does my tup have a different sleep schedule than me ree

12:14 PM

At least she's cute when sleeping tho

tulpas need sleep huh

nope. They sleep with the body

Physically, no. However, there is some symbolism that can be done and it can occasionally take some time to "become active again" after sleeping, particularly if they are not very independently active.

maybe the tulpa just hates the idea of getting up early

Em claims not to sleep at all

Highly unlikely

how so?

The brain does function wholly differently while the body is asleep.

There's really no way she could stay conscious while the body was asleep, unless she trained lucid dreaming or something (which I doubt). If she was conscious then it wouldn't be sleep

Even lucid dreaming is REM sleep, very close to actual consciousness.

even then, she'd have to be unconscious during the other stages of sleep

That said, if one did wish to test the idea that the tulpa can remain fully conscious while the host sleeps, there would actually be a fairly simple way to do so - brain scans can certainly detect sleeping patterns vs conscious patterns. Simply scan while the individual is asleep. If there are conscious brainwaves being produced alongside sleep brainwaves, it would be demonstrated.

6:59 PM

At the very least, demonstrated to be plausible, even if more research would be desired.

ha, cause that's afforable

Hah. Ease of performing an experiment and the cost of doing so are unfortunately quite different.

aye

However, if it is possible, even people without tulpas should be able to demonstrate it.

how so, if the point of the experiment is to see if tulpas can be active while the host is asleep?

Because, it would be the brain being in both the states of deeper sleep (rather than stage 1 or REM sleep) and conscious simultaneously - regardless of whether it is a tulpa doing this.